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08/15/2012 04:43 AM
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Hi All, im looking for a little support. I am about to embark on a new lean project and am looking at using flexible cells for the first time.
This is where my question comes in. Im looking at 2 options, Creform and Flowtube. I understand Flowtube is cheaper but I fear at the expense of quality. I want a product to last as this cell will be used as an example cell.
If anyone has worked with both or has good or bad stories about either, can I have your feedback please?
Thanks in advance
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08/15/2012 02:28 PM
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Hi Adam,
I am a Team Member for Flex Craft and our product (with employee ideas) continues to create the cells you desire on a daily basis. Flex Craft's robust bolt together "plug n play" solution inspires innovative trystorming and makes modular concepts easy. Our innovative DIY system adapts quickly to any evolutionary dynamic and 3D modeling any flow concept becomes easy. Inspire employee ownership with the green modular framing system - Flex Craft.
Take a look at www.flex-craft.com to see tons of examples of customer provided best practices. If your interested, please feel free to contact me and we can get started right away on a quote for you!
-Jake Sparks
jakes@flex-craft.com
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08/16/2012 10:30 AM
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Hi Adam
We have used both as well as Trilogic and also we interchange between the two, they are both very good products. Because we are based in the UK we now and we have now standardised with Flow Tube as they have a local dealer. But basically they are both the same and if there is a part that FlowTube do not do you can buy it from Creform
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08/16/2012 10:30 AM
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Adam,
I have used American Pro-Pipe in a recent Lean project introducing kanbans and one piece flow verses batch build. The product is working out great! The product is versatile in design and quality is excellent. I would highly recommend it.
Amy
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08/17/2012 11:08 AM
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Adam,
Not sure where you are located but we (Fastube) would be glad to help you. Fastube is similar to Creform. However we have a stronger pipe (strongest 1"/28mm pipe out there) and very high quality on all our parts. We also provide extremely great customer service and lead times. Our stock parts would ship out to you in 1 day.
Please let us know if we can help.
Thanks,
David Nichols
Fastube LLC
www.fastube.com
sales@fastube.com
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08/17/2012 11:08 AM
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Adam,
I have seen the other products you mentioned in use and would recommend using the Flex-Craft product. It is much simpler, more robust, and quicker to use. Take a few minutes to read through the recommended assembly methods and you will see your team members become a bunch of kids.
Combine hinges or other manipulation joints and you can do almost anything you need to.
Good Luck!
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08/20/2012 12:26 PM
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Adam,
I design and build assembly lines, support items for Delta Faucet Company. We have used the 28mm pipe system for the past 11 years. We have seen good product and bad in the 28mm system but, I had found a light at the end of the tunnel. We use three companies product to reduce the cost of just Cref--- prices. Cref--- has a great product but, with a higher cost. Sorry to say that but, it is what it is.
I had found a company called National Integrated Systems. This company blue me away with the type of bracket testing they do; to show how great there product is over their competitors. Plus their half the price of other 28mm systems." YES HALF PRICE"
The one bad thing about Flexsquare product that I see is the space you lose. Exp. One station on each corner left and right hand sides, you lose 1 1/2 inches of product space per side total of 3 inches per work station. Based off one of my builds, I have 15 to 20 station per line. using the Flexsquare I would lose 45'' or 60' 'inches of floor/product space. That's not "LEAN"
I use small units when build assembly lines, because of the product changes and to move stations around as needed to try different ways to increase productivity.
Using the 28mm product to build assembly line and support product has landed Delta in the running for the World Ergonomic Cup twice.
Thanks
David W. Chitwood
D.F. Ergo Tech
Ergo Designer Builder
D.S.T. Assembly Support Tech
Cell - 731-394-0074
E-Mail dwc1@deltafaucet.com
Edited: 08/22/2012 at 11:22 AM by Lean Moderator
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08/22/2012 11:19 AM
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Adam,
You can create endless solutions with minimal loss of space; you can connect multiple workstations using the same upright which makes the space lose at 15" per 15 workstations. Options include; using our Patented Universal Joint and / or Direct Bolt systems - see example links below provided by customers. Both techniques are faster (1/2"wrench to put together), friendlier (less costly) and more flexible (standardized sizes to build and re-build with) than comparable systems.
Example1http://www.flex-craft.com/files/IMG_0465.jpg
Example2http://www.flex-craft.com/files/100_3861.jpg
Example3http://www.flex-craft.com/images/100_2910.jpg
Please give us a call and we will be more than happy to clarify.
Jake Sparks
jakes@flex-craft.com
Edited: 08/22/2012 at 11:20 AM by Lean Moderator
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08/22/2012 01:09 PM
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Hello Adam,
The 28mm pipe system that are out on the market today, their are three that inter lock with each other. So more waiting on one company holding your project back by saying their parts are on back order. You can order though two other companies. Talking about Flexibility!
Good luck with your decision.
Thanks
David W. Chitwood
D.F. Ergo Tech
Ergo Designer Builder
D.S.T. Assembly Support Tech
Ext 6284, Cell - 731-394-0074
E-Mail dwc1@deltafaucet.com
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08/22/2012 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by: ErgoDesigner
.... So more waiting on one company holding your project back by saying their parts are on back order. .....
Ah, the irony.
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