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07/15/2010 08:48 AM
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Hallo John
Sorry it took me so long to respond to you, hectic weeks.
I have read through your "not done book" on lean economics, I must say interesting reading and i can see you are really thinking out of the box. You are really touching on some issues that most lean practitioners don't dwell upon. I congratulate you on writing and informative piece and i encourage you to continue on your book as it will be very useful in changing ideologies in lean. Although i must say i would still like to see more on workers union involvement in lean, i belive that the government is not the sole intruder for a free market to exist. The alliances and coalition in governence also needs to be re-looked.
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07/16/2010 10:22 AM
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Hi John,
Can you please share me the 'Lean Economics' book for review.
I will be glad to be part of your venture.
Shankar
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07/16/2010 10:22 AM
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Hello Sithembiso,
Thank you very much for your response. I appreciate the comments, and I am glad you enjoyed it.
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07/19/2010 09:24 AM
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Hello John,
I see I'm a month late in responding but if you still need reviewers, I would be happy to contribute. My email address is: gus.krauss@gmail.com
Thanks for considering this.
Congratulations on your work.
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07/21/2010 01:07 PM
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John,
Congrats on your efforts. Always enjoy hearing different perspectives. Please forward a copy.
Brian
eibk@aol.com
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07/21/2010 01:07 PM
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Thanks everyone for the interest. I am still waiting for some reviews from the people I sent the book out to. I hope the reading is going well.
For now I will not send the book out anymore for review. So far I am very pleased with the feedback, and I am happy to say that the topic seems to be very relevant
I had asked LEI to publish the book and they were not interested, so I am working on finding a publisher.
In the mean time my website www.leaneconomics.org is under construction and should be up before the end of august.
I hope some of you will find the time to join in on the discussion. Politics, etc., everything is on the table.
JohnPod
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07/21/2010 01:07 PM
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Shankar,
Please send me your email, so I can send it to you
John
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07/23/2010 04:33 PM
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John, will be an honour to review your book, please send it to ramon.lopez@uaslp.mx
thanks
Ramon Lopez
University of San Luis Potosi
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07/31/2010 04:39 PM
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Hi Jon,
I just joined the Ergo Team at work and I would be interested in reading it. Thanks
cassandra.fusco@goodrich.com
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08/02/2010 09:05 AM
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Hello Cassandra,
Sorry to disappoint you but its Economics, not Ergonomics.
I am not sending out right now anymore reviews. I am in the process of finishing and then publishing. So far the reviews have been very helpful.
JohnPod
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08/06/2010 04:38 PM
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If want someone who studied and actually liked economics to share some opinions feel free to send it to me, with your email address. I give only contructive suggestions directly to a writer, and publicly I will either recommend it or not comment further, if its good they should buy it.
rdrescher@elseinc.com
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08/23/2010 09:24 AM
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Some quick response to Brent's comments
1. )Most economies consume more then they produce. GDP is made up of 70% consumption in the US. The US is not creating weatlh since the debt ceiling keeps rising. Most important is the basis of that debt. If the US was taking more debts in order to build factories and manufacturing jobs and to produce products that would be an investment in future "real growth", but what the US is doing is taking out more debt to try and keep the US consumer buying cheap foreign products that we can not afford due to we have no real savings. This new debt can not be paid off unless the housing market has another boom , and housing prices double again. I dont think any sane person wants that to happen.
From a lean perspective those who produce should benefit from their labor. The Chinese work at low wages and poor living standards so that the US can consume. That is a recipe for disaster.
"Lets suppose six castaways are stranded on a desert island, five Asians, and one American. Their problem is hunger. So they sit down and divide labor as follows: One Asian will do the hunting, another will fish, the third will scrounge for vegetation, the fourth will cook dinner, and the fifth will gather fire wood and tend the fire. The sixth, the American is given the job of eating.
So five Asians work all day to feed one American, who spends his day sunning himself on the beach. The American is employed in the equivalent of the service sector, operating a tanning salon that has one customer: himself. At the end of the day, the five Asians present a painstakingly prepared feast to the American, who sits at the head of a special table built by the Asians specifically for this purpose.
Now the American is practical enough to know that if the Asians are going to continue providing banquets they must also be fed, so he allows them just enough scraps from his table to sustain them for the following day's labor.
Modern day economists would have you look at the situation just described and believe that the American is the lone engine of growth driving the islands economy; that without the American and his ravenous appetite, the Asians on the island would all be unemployed.
The reality of course is that the American is not the engine of growth, but the caboose, and the best thing the Asians could do would be to vote the American off the island-decoupling the caboose from the gravy train. Without the American to consume most of their food, they´d have a lot more to eat themselves. Then the Asians could spend less time working on food related tasks and devote more time to leisure or satisfying other needs that now go unfulfilled because so many of their scarce resources are devoted to feeding the American.
Ah you say the analogy is flawed because in the real world the United States does pay for its "food" and Asians do recieve value in exchange for their effort.
Okay lets assume the American on the island pays of his food the same way real-world Americans pay, by issuing IOU's. At the end of each meal, the Asians present American with a bill, which he pays by issuing IOU's claiming to represent future payments of food.
The castaways all know that the IOU's can never be collected since the American not only produces no food to back them up, but also lacks the means and the intention of ever providing any. But the Asians accept them anyway, each day adding to the accumulation of of worthless IOU's. Are the Asians better off as a result of this accumulation?"
Peter Schiff, Crash Proof 2.0
Lean means you work (produce), save, and purchase based on savings
2, General call to action will be outlined in the following chapters, but honestly I am not sure how theTitanic gets bailed out.
When I start to see videos of Lean government posted on this website, I cringe.
JohnPod
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08/31/2010 03:19 PM
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Hello John,
I would love to help review it.
paulo_lozano@hotmail.com
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09/20/2010 08:53 AM
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John shared a copy of his paper and asked me to share my thoughts with the group.
I'm probably in a minority in that when traveling I have a small library of economic books collected over the years that I read to pass time. What's fun about economics is that it's not a pure physical science where A = B, but often more about people going off on tangents manipulating data to support their personal viewpoints. Sometime I agree with them, sometimes I don't.
When I read the title "Lean Economics" I somehow thought it was going to get a little more involved with how the government could use Lean technologies to improve their efficiencies and effectiveness.
Not that it was disappointing, but the paper reviewed several areas that John feels could be addressed to help strengthen US competitiveness including Free Market, Wage Motive, Monetary Policy and the Scope of Government.
In general I agreed with the majority of his top level opinions, even though I might approach the solutions a little differently at times. These were shared with John directly.
I had never heard about the concept of Wage Motive so I found that section of interest. One thing I liked best, was a sense of "passion" John had about his ideas.
As a suggestion, I mentioned to John that he could possibly do a little cleaner job of tying it all together towards 2 or 3 key possible actions or outcomes we the people could take. For those of you not overly familiar with economics, you might find his style a little "ranting" at times, but that's not out of line with economics.
While it still needs some cleaning up to be in a sellable form, if any of the sections were contained within a magazine or book, I would consider paying a sum to read it as the material was something that forced me to think.
Best of luck to John. As a country and world, we certainly have lots of issues to address. It's one thing to complain. It's another to propose solutions to solve the problems.
Brian
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12/27/2010 10:32 PM
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Hi, John,
too late to see it...
now waiting for your new book, i would like to buy it
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03/28/2011 12:49 PM
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I have opened a website where people can review my book in progress.
Chapter 1-3 are completed, working on the conclusion.
At the website you are free to read my book "Lean Economics" and also make comments or suggestions to improve on its material. Nothing is off the table.
http://www.dev.simad.pl/lean/
eventually the site will be renamed to leaneconomics.org
Please take the Liberty to check it out
John
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03/29/2011 08:26 PM
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Hi John,
I would be interested in reading/reviewing your work. I am encouraged to see Ludwig von Mises quoted so often in the beginning of the first chapter, as I've just finished reading his economic treatise Human Action. He surely must be one of the most underrated economists of the 20th century! Very interesting connection between free market and Lean thinking in your work, and I looking forward to reading more.
Regards,
Wes
wesley.charlton@gmail.com
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03/30/2011 03:19 PM
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Wes
Thanks alot. I am glad you are enjoying it.
You can download the paper right from the website. Its not done, but chapters 1-3 are completed, and the rest I am in the process of constructing properly. I hope you join as a member as well and start some great discussions.
John
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03/30/2011 03:19 PM
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John, it's been months since your question, but I'd be interested. Are you still willing to review/discuss?
mdthelen@bluebunny.com
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03/31/2011 09:54 AM
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John - I would love to read it!
jim@leanfront.com
Sincerely,
Jim
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