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Product & Process Development

Crafting Quality Software: a Conversation with Robert Martin

By Robert Martin and Matthew Savas

May 24, 2024

In this episode of the WLEI podcast, LEI speaks with software industry pioneer Robert Martin about craftsmanship, AI, and the industry's most challenging problems.

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Be among the first to get the latest insights from LEI’s Lean Product and Process Development (LPPD) thought leaders and practitioners. This podcast was delivered to subscribers of The Design Brief, LEI’s newsletter devoted to improving organizations’ innovation capability. It is the second of four in a series focused on craftsmanship or pursuing perfection in products and people. Craftsmanship embodies simple elegance, precise execution, and a deep, personal connection to work that transforms both the creation and the creator.

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Crafting Quality Software: a Conversation with Robert Martin

In this episode of the WLEI podcast, LEI speaks with software industry veteran Robert Martin. Robert is one of the original signers of the Agile Manifesto and the author of several influential books, including Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship. 

During the conversation, Robert shared insightful perspectives on some of the biggest challenges facing software development today. From the demographic problem of perpetual inexperience to his pioneering approach to development dubbed “software craftsmanship” that aims to promote quality work, Robert covered a wide range of issues impacting the industry. Some other topics discussed include:

  • Balancing speed and quality in development and emphasizing a quality-first mindset.
  • The benefits of test-driven development, such as providing freedom to change code safely.
  • AI’s potential impacts and appropriate uses of AI-generated code.

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